[tmtranscripts] NET #51, Nov. 11, 2018

[Roxanne Andrews]

PR

*New Era Transition #51 – Overpopulation; Fear; Life Expansion – Nov. 19,
2018*



*Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager*



Topics:

California fires

A question on overpopulation

A shift in population to rural

Ownership of personal property

Design of cities

Self-sustainability of cities

Preparation for calamities

Prevailing emotion of fear

Promoting world peace

Closing of the dark circuits

Not having power to control situations

Mental, spiritual and physical health and life span

Living in groups to add to longevity

Can we be infused with more violet blood?

Outreach programs for youth

Land restitution in South Africa

Gratitude

Closing statement



TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD



Team members present:  Roxanne Andrews, Craig Carmichael, Liz Cratty, Jeff
Cutler, Doug Dodge, Stéphane Labonteé and Michael McCray.



Invocation:  Doug



*November 19, 2018*



*MACHIVENTA:*  This is Machiventa Melchizedek, here once again with you.  I
begin today with a short message which I and other teachers have shared
with you many times in the past.  We of the Celestial Realm are here at the
pleasure of Christ Michael and Nebadonia, and that you are not delegates
from the audience, but you are in many ways surrogates of each individual
of our audience to ask questions that they are unable to ask.  So when you
come with questions, think in terms of the broad numbers of hundreds of
people, thousands of people who are reading these messages and who will
eventually read them as well.  We are in the process of anticipating the
future; you are the ones who represent all humanity in this dialog, and so
let us begin.



If you have questions, please bring them forward at this time.

*California fires*



*Craig:*  I don’t know if you would care to answer this one or not, but all
these fires in California seem to have some very unusual or suspicious
characteristics and a lot of people seem to be thinking they have been
deliberately set.  I guess there are a lot of people wondering the same
thing that that is possible.



*MACHIVENTA:*  My comments are these:  This is the outworking or
consequence of the development of densely populated areas and without the
forethought to adequately care for the forests that surrounds those areas.
What you are seeing is the outcome of unplanned groupings or communities of
people in a socially and environmentally unstable and unsafe environment.
The social consequences and material consequences that involve the
sustainable existence in long-term numbers of decades and centuries have
not been taken into account.  There are, as you know, many consciously
planned communities of less than 500,000 people that have been planned and
which are stable, helpful and supportive of the material environment
existence and social existence of the occupants.  This is a thoughtful
process that is essential to the reconstruction after the cataclysms of
your states, nations and communities.



As the population is too dense to allow for dispersed cities and
communities of a half-million people, the consequence is that there are no
other avenues to consciously bring planned communities into existence at
this time.  This is something that will have to wait for those times when
there are fewer people in each nation and state.  That is part of the
corrections of the Correcting Time.  In stating that, you know as well as
we that there is no intention, no activity by spirit to bring these
conflagrations into existence that have developed into the vast swaths of
fire that you have seen.  What you are seeing is a cataclysm of great
proportions, which has only begun.  There will be other instances that will
exacerbate the conditions of living in highly dense communities in the
cities and elsewhere.



*A question on overpopulation*



*Stéphane:*  Following up on this, you have mentioned the global population
is overpopulated, but are you saying that the concept of cities is also
overpopulated?  So I’m thinking of Canada and the US.  Are these countries
overpopulated, or is it the concepts of cities that are overpopulated?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Considering the vast open spaces of Canada and the United
States, you see that there are great swaths of land that are open for
population development.  What was stated in my comment was that cities are
overpopulated; they will become the tipping point for the vast depopulation
of the world.  Cities provide a haven for disease and rapid spread of
pathogens that will have the capacity to maim and kill people in great
numbers eventually.  There is a great hazard in densely populated cities as
you see in Toronto and New York and all the other large cities in North
America, which includes Canada.  This is something that will be dealt with
in the future, as it will become evident that overpopulation in confined
geographic areas leads to the decimation of populations very quickly.  To
thwart that in the future there must be conscious planning for cities of
half-million people at the most and there must be a conscious public
decision and personal decision to limit procreation to 2-3 children per
couple.



*A shift in population to rural*



*Craig:*  In the past century there has been a tremendous shift of
population from rural areas into cities.  Are you suggesting that it would
be good to reverse that trend?



*MACHIVENTA:*  It is not only good, but it will be a necessary part of the
reconstruction of nations.  It is not necessary that everybody go into
hinterlands and establish farms and families there, but there must be
reasonably sized cities established away from huge population centers, as
you now see in these nations.  You will see an interconnectedness and
interdependency therefore upon between half-million population sized cities
to work together as they would in a larger city, but at a distance apart
from that.  There is a subtle necessity that is also implied in the
solution for the Correcting Time and the reconstruction, and that is there
must be a conscious operational ethic and morality that is involved in the
expansion of these cities.



As you have seen from your own time in this lifetime, self-interest has
been the primary promoting factor for the development of cities, the
increasing inflation and value of properties and the expansion of those
means to feed and sustain the populations that come to exist in those
cities.  Self-interest must then become something that is not a part of
city planning and expansion.  It must be explicit in the formation of these
new cities, that it is for the social sustainability of the cities,
communities and families to support a population of that size into the
decades and centuries ahead.  This takes much forethought, and that is what
has been missing in the development of all civilization on earth
heretofore.  There has been no intentional planning involved in many
cities, particularly for the social sustainability and environmental
factors of cities.  Yes, there have been many “planned cities” that have
come into existence, but the other factors were not considered as the
social sustainability of those cities as environments for healthy
functional social living.



*Ownership of personal property*



*Jeff:*  I’m inferring from your remarks that to get from where we are now
to what you have just described is going to require a major redefinition of
what it means to own personal property.  Is that correct?



*MACHIVENTA:*  It is not correct.  Owning personal property has nothing to
do with those problems.  What is involved is the self-interest of personal
ownership.



*Design of cities*


*Jeff:*  I’m trying to get my head around this; so you are saying that the
concept that we have now of zoning that is being done by local people,
sometimes giving preference to developers and sometimes giving preference
to people who are significant businessmen in their towns is going to change
to where these new or rebuilt cities are going to have a very different
zoning codes and building codes, and everything else that we are used to
now.  Is that surmise correct?



*MACHIVENTA:*  That would be secondary and tertiary; the intention is to
have a morality and ethic built into the city designing, and that zoning
and coding and so forth would have to do only within the confines of a city
of half-million.  Once a city has reached near the point of half-million
people, say 450,000 people that then signals a cessation of development and
so forth.



*Self-sustainability of cities*



*Stéphane:*  Machiventa, is this related to the man-to-land ratio?  Is
every city supposed to be self-sustainable?  Cities currently depend on
global transportation for providing foods—are you suggesting that every
city should be self-sustainable to some degree?



*MACHIVENTA:*  I would agree with the phrase “to some degree.”  You are
correct in the very first part is that cities must be consciously aware of
their material sustainability and the material needs of individuals,
families, communities and the city to have provision for its material
source of energy, water treatment, and so on, so that it can survive.
There would be, as I suggested, an inter-relationship between cities, and
that there would be mutual assistance to each other to develop lands into
farmlands that could produce and support those cities.  In that regard you
are quite correct that the man-to-land ratio is a necessary factor, just as
the morality and ethics of developing those cities to sustain people and to
develop their innate potential is essential for the existence of those
cities.  Cities do not exist unto themselves, for themselves and for the
taxation for the continuing expansion of their borders.  It is rather so
that when a city approximates half-million people that the revenues can
then therefore be used to increase the development of potential of
individuals and communities as safe places to support families who are
raising children to grow into their innate potential.  In this way you see
that cities have a different function, that they come into existence as
healthy, functional societal organizations with a divine purpose in all
departments and organizations within that city and have a parallel and
complemental purpose as well.



*Craig:*  So I see a world that has a mix of cities and rural areas, farms,
that will all be better interconnected than they are now and that
transportation will be better and because of the Internet people won’t need
to travel so much if they need something that isn’t available in their city.



*MACHIVENTA:*  That is correct.  What you will also not see are cities,
states and nations that have no means to support their existent
populations.  If you look at the problems in the nation of Yemen, you will
see that it does not have the arable land to support its people, nor the
water sources to satisfy their innate human needs.  These will become
desert areas once again and not useful or supportive of human populations
of cities of half a million, or even a quarter-million.  There would rather
be a desert landscape of small villages that have the capacity to support
themselves.  In that case and similar cases, the sizes of the villages and
towns would be commensurate to the capacity of the man-to-land ratio for
those regions to support a limited population.  In that case,
overpopulation becomes a highly moral issue for the survival of
contemporary populations and all future generations.



*Doug:*  From other sources there seems to be a talk of opening up Urantia
to Adjutant Spirits, and for lack of better words, a second Pentecost.  Is
that something that you would like to expand upon?



*MACHIVENTA:*  No, I care not to expand upon it at this time.



*Preparation for calamities*



*Doug:*  Okay.  In the last few sessions we have talked about preparing for
calamity and in NET #43 you kind of gave a metaphor of being on a transport
ship for D-Day, and some of the images were of dire importance to be ready
for what is to come and to prepare ourselves physically for calamity.  What
I am asking for now needs to be done to prepare ourselves mentally and
spiritually for those calamities?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Certainly.  Each individual who meditates and contemplates
and reflects upon life and prays to and with their Thought Adjuster,
Guardian and to their Celestial Teachers and others—Christ Michael of
course—will have the openness to be informed of the situation.  And through
either inner urgings by your Thought Adjuster and others to leave the city,
you would do so.  Where you go is important; how you become aware is also
important.  If you were to leave your city, where would you have your
redoubt as a refuge from the situation?  If you became aware that there was
a virulent infection in your city and it was spreading rapidly, would you
just remain in the city crossing your fingers that you do not catch the
infection?  Or would you, with being forewarned leave the city to find a
location where you could remain for 6-8 weeks in the safe time before you
returned?



Yes, there is much occupational and lifestyle hazards involved in such an
option.  However, failing to take the risk, you would remain there and of
course very possibly become infected yourself.  If you do take the risk and
leave, there is a risk involved in both decisions to possibly remain
thinking that you would escape the infection, or leaving the city and
escaping the infection, but also leaving your lifestyle and your career
behind.  In any case, it is decision, it is an existential decision; it is
one of those decisions you make knowing the consequences of making either
decision.  Mental preparation for that situation is primary to your
survival or your death.  It is important that you have this awareness now.
It is even more important than having your refuge away from the city,
because if you are unaware and unconcerned about the necessity of making
that decision and having awareness, you would remain where you are.  Thus
the preparations you seek in your question are in fact innate to that
question.  You must make that decision, knowing that you are making the
decision and that even now, you will have to make that decision.  This also
assumes that this will occur within your lifetime, does it not?  Yes, it
does; and it certainly it will.



*Doug:*  Thank you.



*Prevailing emotion of fear*



*Liz:*  I have struggled to put this question into words, so please bear
with me.  The last time we gathered you said that the prevailing emotion on
our planet is fear.  I have a vision of a planetary fabric of consciousness
where if I have a negative thought it sends a little stain like a drop of
ink, and when I have a good positive thought it sends the opposite like a
little drop of bleach.  And if we were to look at this planetary fabric of
consciousness, it would be darker in some areas and lighter in other
areas.  Is this completely a figment of my imagination, or do my thoughts,
both positive and negative actually affect the entirety of the planetary
consciousness?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Hooray!  (Clapping.)  Yes, your consciousness surely does
impact the consciousness of the whole planet.  Thank you so much for your
very clear statement.



*Liz:*  So are other people’s prevailing emotions of fear affecting the
rest of us?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Most certainly.



*Liz:*  Can we work overtime to overcome this?  What must we do?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Dear person, you only have 24 hours, therefore it is
necessary that you maintain the consciousness, that consciousness of light,
that consciousness of good, that consciousness of benevolence, that
pervading consciousness of deep gratitude to the Creator — this is the
greatest and best message that you can send onto the world, and that when
you discuss with friends over coffee, dinner or lunch, or over the phone
that you continue to express this gratitude, this thanksgiving, this joy
for abundance, for your good health, and so on.  This is part of the
light.  Do not be afraid to share this with your friends who are in
parallel consciousness.  Do share with them of what you are doing, why you
are doing it and how they can reinforce that.  It is not necessary to come
together through the Internet at a particular time of the day, year or
month to then come into this consciousness, but it is vastly vital and
critically important that you do this moment-to-moment, and that when you
speak to others you share this with them.  You can bring them into their
awareness through the Internet as well, but it is awareness of
consciousness to express that consciousness in your life and your mind as
you see it projecting out to the world, bleaching those dark spots into
light and whiteness.


*Promoting world peace*



*Liz:*  Thank you for that vote of confidence; I appreciated it.  It’s
easier said than done. I’m particularly concerned with what is happening in
the Middle East, Israel and Russia, Iraq and Iran.  I’m wondering, other
than beseeching my Thought Adjuster to speak to the Thought Adjusters of
the World Leaders in that region, is there something else that we can do to
promote peace over there?  I’m very concerned about what is happening and
perhaps what will happen with Israel.



*MACHIVENTA:*  I will speak to the answer of your question in this answer
mode that deals with worry:  You are concerned, or worried about those
situations abroad that might literally blow up into huge, rapidly expanding
conflagrations of nuclear war exchange, and that is a very real
possibility.  It is because of the goodness of many millions and billions
of people such as yourself who are projecting light and solutions onto
those areas that they have not done so to date.  Worry about other
situations is a waste of time; worry is a concern for something outside
yourself and far away at a time which you cannot control.  You must, as a
spiritually expanding, growing and maturing soul and individual, have the
consciousness to be concerned about what you can do.  What is the power
that you have that you can apply effectively to your life situation and to
others, wherever they live on the planet?   Remember that your
consciousness is NOW, in this MOMENT.



You consciousness is not tomorrow; you consciousness is not yesterday, it
is NOW.  Your consciousness is the only power that you have to extend
beyond the confines of your body, and in fact impinge itself as that
whitening bleach onto the fabric of consciousness to the world.
Consciousness is non-dimensional; it is non-temporal; it is something that
runs through the course of the universe that you have ability to affect.



Be not concerned about the consciousness that may bring about that nuclear
holocaust in the East, or wherever it may occur.  Be concerned in this
point now, within your life, within this moment of how and where you can
apply your consciousness.  Remember, I just said that this is non-temporal,
therefore by having your consciousness in the now.  The consciousness of
all throughout the universe is eternal and it is always NOW in the eternal
now, therefore your consciousness of light has an impact upon all now, of
all time in all the universe for eternity.  You have no idea how powerful
your consciousness is!  You have the power of consciousness as Christ
Michael as Jesus said — that what he can do, you can do more so, therefore
the consciousness of Christ Michael/Jesus is one which encompasses all of
eternity in Nebadon.  Therefore, your consciousness must now extend to your
world for all time, for the all now, of all existent experience in your
world and Urantia for all time.  Stay in the NOW!



*Liz:*  Wow, thank you for that answer; you’ve given me much to
contemplate.  Oh, my goodness!  Thank you, Machiventa.  (*Machiventa:*  You
are welcome.)



*Closing of the dark circuits*



*Stéphane:*  Related to this, is it easier to do this now with the dark
circuits being closed and with the new Father circuits being reinstated?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Yes, perfect questions.  You are exactly right, yes, now
that the dark circuits are closed and nonexistent and the Father circuits
are being reestablished and expanded, both in “amperage and voltage” as you
might think, yes the consciousness now is much more powerful and that
encourages the consciousness of individuals to be multiplied many times
over and be far more effective.  Thank you so much!



*Not having power to control situations*



*Roxie:*  Machiventa, as an example of this I know it is a little late for
this election, but many areas of our nation have voter repression enacted
by crooked members of one of the political parties.  The honest members of
our society are meeting with fierce resistance to stop this abominable
unfair practice.  Is what you have been talking to Liz about, is that our
only recourse action to change things before the next election and we go
back to the dark side of things political?



*MACHIVENTA:*  One moment.  The short answer to your question is yes, that
is all you can do.  Remember that your mortal concerns have no effect
unless you have power.  Are you one of those powerful individuals who are
making an effect on the situations?  No.  Do you have the financial clout
to persuade others to change their minds about how that is developing?
No.  Do you have highly influential people of either of those people who
are making those decisions for those outcomes to change the future for
you?  No.  You have none of that, therefore your concerns are without
merit.  This may be quite a radical honesty for you to accept, but that is
truly the situation.  For your own happiness and ease and peace of mind,
and to make your consciousness of peace and light more effective, you must
convince yourself that you are powerless to do otherwise.



*Roxie:*  Hmmm, that is something I wasn’t thinking about.



*Mental, spiritual and physical health and life span*



*Stéphane:*  Machiventa, we have been talking about mental health,
spiritual health, and I want to talk about physical health.  With recent
discoveries, and knowledge we have on many aspects of physical health, we
have enough to live much longer than we do now.  Do we have enough
knowledge to be able to live much longer and therefore have more time to
ascend the Physic Circles, have better mental and spiritual health with
better physical health?


*MACHIVENTA:*  Yes, and I hesitate in saying a full hearty “yes;” it is a
conditional “yes.”  And the condition is this: that your physical health is
also highly dependent upon your mental health, your emotional health, your
attitudinal health.  You are a holism; each individual is a holism whether
they are aware of it or not.  Most people are not aware of the holism of
the seven dimensions of human potential that can be developed, which all
have an effect upon the length of your life and the condition of your life
until you do depart.  Peace of mind is essential, that “peace that passes
all understanding” as stated in the Old Testament is primary to your
satisfaction and quality of life as an individual, irregardless of your
external circumstances.



It is essential that this worry factor be eliminated from your life, from
your thinking, from your mind as your emotions have a direct endocrine
effect upon the sustainability of your body.  Constant worry and stress
have a very highly debilitating acidic effect on the dissolution of the
holism of constitution of your body.  These are truly factors that you are
in control of.  You may say that you have no choice but to make this
decision or to live this way; ultimately and existentially you do have a
choice.  It may be incredibly difficult to make that choice, and it may
impact the lives of others, but you do have a choice.  When you free
yourself from the bonds of no choice, then you have begun to see yourself
in freedom.



The slaves who were owned by others in the South and around the world do
not care about, have no real concern about what happens after they become
free; they will deal with that when it occurs.  So when you become one with
the “peace that passes all understanding,” then you will make the decisions
to support yourself.  Knowing this, when you make decisions, consciously or
unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally to maintain current
lifestyles and indebetedness  and political affiliations, lifestyles and so
on, you have made a choice in the length of your life.  Knowing all these
factors, how is it possible then to live a life of 125-135 years?  It must
also contain the seeds of purpose, and the seeds of meaning.  It must
contain the seeds of the spiritual expansion of your lives as a soul.  If
you are to become one with the Creator of all time in the Central Universe,
then you must aspire to the same purpose and meaning that It has, and while
It created you, that you aspire to fulfill that in your life and for the
First Source and Center.



*Living in groups to add to longevity*



*Jeff:*  I’d like to ask a follow-up question on tangent to your last
statement.  It seems to me that with the DNA that we have been dealt with
so far, the tendency to choose to live in groups that are fairly similar to
their own, and my question about this is, would it be naturally helpful for
those of us who are trying to do exactly as you say, to try to spend or
live among others who are trying to [live in a like manner]—I know we have
a choice but would this aid us in our ability to reinforce these thoughts
of service and happiness that would promote longevity and also promote the
ability to serve longer?



*MACHIVENTA:*  I offer a conditional “yes.”  The condition is this: the
first is that you begin to find that peace within yourself, that community
of oneness with the Source, that community of confidence within yourself
that you are in the right direction now and moving ahead confidently in the
right direction.  That is hard to define and that is hard to find for each
individual, to be confident in the confidence that they exhibit in their
life and in the decisions that they make.   Once you have achieved that,
then living in a community, you can be of great assistance to others and
teach them how to come into that state of consciousness and confidence to
move their lives ahead.  Yes, social existence is paramount in your
existence as an individual.  Humans are social beings and when individuals
are asocial and apart and anti-social and apart, their lives are miserable
and they will not live and lead fulfilling lives.  Existence in a community
is essential even if that is just a small group of 5 or 6 houses living in
a small village.



*Can we be infused with more violet blood?*



*Stéphane* Can the gap from the less than perfect infusion of the violet
blood on Urantia be remedied or be filled through genetic engineering?  Can
we bridge some of it, or all of it through our efforts in genetic
engineering of the human plasm, or will we need eventually more violet
blood to be infused on our races?



*MACHIVENTA:*  The partial answer is this, and it is only partial because
that is all that you would understand.  If you are striving to do that you
would be striving to do what the Life Carriers have initiated.  The life
plasm that you have spoken of that would be of assistance to the social,
spiritual and personal evolution of the individual and the race, the extent
of that has been used and there are no plans now to uplift the genetic
structure of your species.  Secondly, it is not possible for human
engineers to generate this development at this point in time.  You can
anticipate, however, that once geneticists and demographers find the
statistics to prove the point of evolved species or variations within the
Homo sapien species, they will find that there are components of the genome
that enhance the development of the “whole structure of individuals,” whole
structure meaning that they have an innate proclivity to make positive
decisions and actions in that this is from the innate genetic structure
that they have the yearning and urging to do good in their life and for
others.



*Outreach programs for youth*



*Roxie:*  I’d like to include some of the questions that I have received.
This one is from Raymon Miller:  He says, “As stated in prior
conversations, our society and family structures obviously are in need of
moral and ethical repair and guidance.  I am looking into the starting of
an outreach program or some other type of activity to start guiding and
teaching our youth lessons in morality and ethical behavior, amongst other
avenues in the core values you teach, plus an appreciation for love,
beauty, truth and goodness.  Could you please discuss and perhaps advise on
a good starting point or introduction path to help arouse interest in the
youth.  Anybody, including the adult would be welcome of course.  Thank you.



*MACHIVENTA:*  We have addressed your needs through the paper that This One
wrote with us entitled, “Making Sense of Ethics,” which is available on the
web site that we have developed with him and others.  You are welcome to
use that material as it is very elemental, very logical and easy to
understand and can be adapted in many ways for young individuals to begin
thinking in ethical and moral terms.

https://sites.google.com/view/danielraphael/free-downloads



*Land restitution in South Africa*



*Roxie:*  Another question I received from Marthe Muller in South Africa,
she says, “South Africa remains one of the most unequal countries in the
world, with increasing levels of poverty, hunger and unemployment.  It is
clear that family development is fast being understood to be an important
solution for future societal sustainability, but debates around land
restitution is an important part of an economic settlement of apartheid.
How should land restitution be done at a time of such uncertain future
earth changes and climate change outcomes?  How can land be redistributed
in a way that supports the equality of all and family development?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Thank you for your question.  Your question really must be
bifurcated in order to thoroughly understand the solution or answers to
your question.  The first part is the family; the family is primary to the
existence of all that comes into being in any Urantian society and nation.
That must be dealt with separately; that is primary and of greater
importance than land distribution, which is a totally separate issue in
your question.  Yes, those two parts are linked, but only tenuously.  The
fair distribution of land for societies and communities which are not
societally well developed and have not matured societally must wait for
answers that are made by those that are in power and those who pass from
power.  If that does not exist and does not come into being, then there
will be a continuation dis-ease and agitation in your nation.



Remember too, that as you said in your question, “eventually or in the
future” the solutions are not now.  You will not find immediate solutions
in the present because those in power have the means and the authority to
maintain their positions to their own advantage.  There are far too many
powerful individuals who would not want to see the fair distribution of
land.  Any attempt to do so would cause riots and revolution and further
destruction.  It is important that families be raised in the ethics and
morality and the population management practices that sustain a stable
state of any nation.  It is important that the issue of fairness be innate
to and endemic to indigenous people and to those who have come from afar in
past centuries.  The family process of enculturation of socialization is
vital to achieve the solution to the problems that arise in your question.
Eventually those children who are raised and grown in such environments
will become those who will seek positions of authority, power and control,
and therein lies the solution to your problem.



*Roxie:*  I have another question from Rick Brunson.  He quoted something
from Xsamuel via the TM in Russia web site:  “We are ‘correcting’ and
repairing these circuits as they should have been had your world not
experienced the tampering and malevolent conditioning that occurred during
the Lucifer Rebellion.  We are and have been working at this on a ‘curve,’
so to speak, bringing those circuits back to their original intention with
as little ‘side effects’ as possible—yet there are always effects from any
cause or action—even those with benevolent intent.”  The last sentence from
Xsamuel is the one that he is particularly interested in and he highlighted
it in red:  “This you would see as ‘fliers’ that shock the consciousness of
humanity, yet they must be allowed to be released.”  Can you clarify that
last sentence for him?



*MACHIVENTA:*  And the word “fliers?”  [Roxie:  Spells the word.]  It is
our wish that the author of that statement state this more fully in order
for us to provide an adequate and appreciable answer.  We are reluctant to
respond to the question as it is ambiguous and unclear.  If we did respond,
we would run the risk that our answer would be inappropriate to the
question and to the audience.



*Roxie:*  I have 3 more questions that came from Russia; however they are
very long, so if members of the team would like to ask more of their
questions, we can hold off on these until I am sure we have time for them.



*[Daniel:*  Can you distill them?  I know they have long, long statements
that precede the question.  Is there a question that is buried in the
statement?



*Roxie:*  Because they are not something that we have been talking about,
it is hard to answer that without giving more of their preamble.



*Daniel:*  The reason I am cautious about that is because long statements
break the state of TRing that I have with Machiventa.  They are deeply
minded and very intellectual and they don’t work for me as a TR.



*Roxie:*  Let me see if I can reword them for another session; it might be
difficult, but I’ll see what I can do.]



*Gratitude*



*Doug:*  I need to leave, but I have one last question, if that’s okay?
This week of Thanksgiving kind of kicks off the era of the holidays here in
the United States, and there is just an overwhelming sense of gratitude of
thanksgiving in my heart and I just want to thank you, Machiventa, and all
of the sources that we have to benefit from in our path.  I just wanted to
try and say, “Thank you” for that.



*MACHIVENTA:*  Thank you so very much for your gratitude; it resonates in
our “hearts” and we have a sense of oneness with your gratitude.  Thank you
and Best Wishes.



*Jeff:*  I am struggling a little bit with the idea of cities with a
maximum utility of 450,000 to 500,000 human beings.  I grew up in the Los
Angeles area in the 1940s and 1950s and what were small communities of all
kinds have merged.  It seems to be from Ventura, all the way down,
literally, to the Mexican Border, it is just one city.  Is that essentially
what you are talking about, and the long swatches from New England all the
way down to Virginia, is almost all continuously inhabited.  So when you
said “consider a place for safety for 6-8 weeks,” are you including or
excluding the kind of—I’m not trying to mention Toronto and New York, and I
imagine Mexico City and Beijing and places like that—are going to be
susceptible to something like an Ebola virus, but are these long corridors
on our continents where people are gathering close to the coastline, can
those areas be broken up into groups of 450,000 or 500,000, or do you have
a different vision you could share with us?



*MACHIVENTA:*  It is obvious that you did not listen to my earlier
statements.



*Closing statement*



Not hearing further questions, let us bring this session to a close.  Thank
you for your presence here today, and once again remember that you are the
surrogates of those listeners and readers of these transcripts and to
therefore take into account the questions that you ask.  Your questions are
vitally important to the message that spirit can bring to you.  Your
questions must also engage the obvious aspect that the NEC sessions and the
NET sessions are those that deal primarily with Planetary Management.  We
ask that in the questions you ask to remain in the consciousness of
Planetary Management to assist others to make contribution to that in every
small and large ways that they can in their lives.  We bless you with our
presence here today; we bless you with our consciousness that we now
instill in your minds.  It is our presence here and our wish that our
consciousness would assist you to become one with the consciousness of
Christ Michael and Nebadonia in Nebadon.  Thank you and good day.



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