[tmtranscripts] CWM #66, Dec. 14, 2012

[Roxanne Andrews]

PR

Conversations with Monjoronson #66 - Directions for the coming year - Dec. 14, 2012

 

Topics:

Opening comments

Where is erroneous TRed material generated?

Narrow-mindedness and spiritual fiction

The merging of the two databases

Backup databases

Not having mortal leaders in these two missions

Update on the Second book being written for Urantia

Mortal participation in the second Urantia text

"When the student is ready, the teacher appears"

Other planets in the rebellion

Desire for a savior among mortals

Why is the co-creative solution being used on Urantia?

Michael's decision to leave no one behind

What has Monjoronson's crew been working on?

Hiatus in these sessions until more questions are generated

 

TR:  Daniel Raphael

Moderator:  Michael McCray

 

[Note from Charles on Dec. 4, 2012:

"This is Charles.  We wish you to delay publishing #65 until after the first of the year.  You may determine this to be a humanly cowardly thing to do, but it is the most prudent in view of the tremendous program and social damage that would otherwise accrue.  The delay will assure the soundness of this transmission, which would not be validated for mortals until the clock and calendar have accomplished their work.  Even publishing it after the first of the year will cause immense damage to those who are peripherally interested in the Correcting Time.  Mortals seek consistency in all that is associated with God and God's work.  This will never occur as long as this program has the co-creative relationship at its core of operation.  The validity of Christ Michael's work in this co-creative relationship can and only will be validated in the years, decades and centuries ahead through its good works.  This is why you are called Agondonters - your work in faith that God's "good" will prevail, even without personal and conscious evidence of His presence.  Lastly, you are welcome to post this note to #66 and #65 when they are published.  s//Charles, Mighty Messenger to the Triumvirate of Christ Michael/Nebadonia, Machiventa Melchizedek, and Monjoronson."]

 

 

 

December 14, 2012
 

Prayer:  Heavenly Father and Michael, we once again gather in your presence intent on assisting Monjoronson in making corrections to our planet's social structure.  Please aid us in our endeavors.  We give you thanks for our lives on Urantia and for the chance to work with you.  Amen.

 

MONJORONSON:  Good morning; this is Monjoronson.

 

Group:  Good morning!

 

MONJORONSON:  The mortal team is here-good.  How would you like to proceed?

 

MMc:  This is our last session of the year.  I'm wondering if there is anything that you would like to say to our audience at this time?

 

Opening comments
 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  As you know, we have neither calendars nor seasons in the morontial or spiritual or eternal realms, that we do not have any significance upon dates or times of the years, or holidays.  There are no anniversaries; there are no special occasions to dot the year.  As you know, there are several calendars or time periods operating between earth and the various sectors of the Grand Universe and Local Universes, and upon Havona.  You seem to anthropomorphize us through the use of your calendar, but we do not recognize your calendar as such.  You have days and we have days, but we have no nights.  We simply roll the clock forward to another day.  It is a demarcation process for us, on noting the passage of time in local universes through this mechanism.  Therefore, the impending events that many have foreseen, whether it is from the Mayan calendar of many thousands of years of age, or whether it is the [Gregorian] calendar that you use in your contemporary world, these events and times mean little to us.  We have no anticipation for anything special to occur other than the passage of another day on your calendar and on our calendar, and our time clock.  We anticipate there to be no great upheavals or events in the next several years that would impact us, though there will be numerous events on your world which will have tremendous significance, most of which will be unassociated to any calendric scheduling.   Thank you.

 

MMc:  I believe Roxanne has some questions for you.

 

Where is erroneous TRed material generated?
 

Roxie:  Monjoronson, I really appreciate your willingness to be forthright with us and some of these questions may have to be off the record or adjusted for our reading audience.  One of the things that I am concerned about is you've addressed the subject of reflectivity in the past with us, in October of 2011, and after reading that, I'm still wondering how come [the author of the ABC Summaries] feels so strongly that he is receiving information that he is so positive is correct, and that he feels he is "required" to post these items that he says he receives by reflectivity.  Where does he get the information that he puts out?  Is it from his TR, from mischievous celestials, or just from his own very active imagination?

 

MONJORONSON:  I am going to defer answering the specifics of your question, as it would not prove satisfying to anyone, or provide greater elucidation.  We strive not to become involved in the psychodynamics of individuals' minds in dialog through these question and answer sessions.  It is sufficient to know that he sincerely believes those events in what he "hears" in his mind, and is so convinced of their certainty that he publishes those results.

 

Roxie:  I realize that allowing [him] to post these erroneous documents and statements might be because his free will cannot be violated, that there is also a lesson on discernment for the readers.  What of the readers that read his statements, but do not read other transcripts refuting this information?  Many believe [his] documents because he is telling them what they "want to believe," that God will step in and save the world from all the bad guys by fiat, so they do not have to deal with them.  You dealt with the gullible to some degree in the last session, but are there any more lessons to be learned from this?

 

Narrow-mindedness and spiritual fiction

 

MONJORONSON:  No, it is very straightforward, that it is one of narrow-mindedness.  I could also say that about this one, who seems to be narrow-minded, as he does not take into his reading schedule those reports which he feels are erroneous, whether they deal with demon worship or whether they deal with the spiritual fiction that seems to emanate from many sources.  This too, is dangerous in some degree, as he does not have the morontial capacity to discern quickly which is of God and which is not.  Narrow-mindedness can work for you and can work against you.  The gullibility and the penchant for self-deception are high in many mortals.  Seeking the truth and using the science and the art of discretion are activities which many people do not practice and do not care to, as it makes them responsible for their discernment.  [If you are] undiscerning, then you also become responsible for it ultimately, but in your own mind, you are accepting it from another source without question.  A questioning mind then becomes much more responsible for the direction and course of the [mortal's] life.  It does create a certain degree of existential angst for those beliefs that are held in mind and held and lived out in one's life.  The lessons are very few here; it is fundamentally to keep your eye and your mind on God and seek to do 'good' and be careful of information that asks you to look askance at the Source and Center of the universe.

 

The merging of the two databases
 

Roxie:  Last time, you talked about the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission's documents all being merged into the same database.  Some transcripts I find difficult to decide which mission they belong in because they have information both for the individual's spiritual growth and for the developing of sustainable social practices.  Do you have any guidelines that we should be using in order to separate them appropriately?

 

MONJORONSON:  Not at this time.  You will see a means of doing so in approximately two years or less.

 

Backup databases
 

Roxie:  You also discussed last time how precarious the database was.  I wondered about the database that Rob Davis has created for the transcripts under his Daynal Institute.  Do you have any comments about whether this archive meets with your needs and can serve as a backup?

 

MONJORONSON:  It can serve as a backup; it is not an exact replica of the archives, but it need not be either.  Your technologies are still very new and immature and data storage is fairly straightforward, though the process of searching has become more and more refined and will become even more refined within the next ten years and will have a tremendous impact upon how people learn and how they have access to information, and how information is retrieved and delivered to them.  Do not be overly concerned about this at this time; there are other individuals, such as yourself, who have kept a long-term archive, both in hard copy and in digital form of the Teaching Mission archives, though it may not be complete.  This was a concern, but is not of any paramount concern to us.

 

Not having mortal leaders in these two missions
 

Roxie:  I very much appreciated what you said last time about not having mortal leaders in these two missions, that the leaders to trust are the Eternal Father, Christ Michael, Nebadonia, yourself and Machiventa.  Thank you for this insight.  If we mortals all accept that wise advice, we would stop a lot of the competition that tends to pull our two missions apart.  Have you further comments on the benefits of this that you see from your perspective?  You did mention depth of character along with that, but is there anything else?

 

MONJORONSON:  No.

 

 

 

Update on the Second book being written for Urantia
 

Roxie:  Could we have an update on the book being written by the Second Revelatory Commission?  I don't know that I trust [the] statement about it being released next year.

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, one moment.  There was a proposal submitted by Gabriel to Christ Michael of the potential necessity of a Second Revelatory Commission for Urantia.  This has been accepted and there is now a Revelatory Commission that has begun to gather in this new association.  Again, it is comprised mainly of Melchizedeks, with the overseer-ship of one who is less than Gabriel.  The mission will be concerned with all of the planets that were in the rebellion, [including] Urantia, as one of the many planets that are now in recovery.  It will explain the recovery methods, processes that are involved in each planet.  This document will be shared with each planet so that there is some comparison.  

 

The intention of this Second Commission is to assist the planets that were in rebellion to once again enter the fold of the planetary family of Nebadon, that there is a healing to take place.  Each planet will have its own "chapter," so to speak, in this publication.  We will not publish this for some time to come, as each planet-and particularly those which are furthest behind in recovery-are in need of their own focus on their own healing, maturation and development. Bringing such a manuscript or document into existence early on would cause further disruption, disruption as evidenced in your own difficulties between the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission, even though they are both authenticated and authorized by Christ Michael for this planet as part of the Correcting Time.  Such immaturity does not generate confidence in us in bringing forward any new information that would cause further division among believers.  You can anticipate that this document will be shared with Urantia within the next two hundred years.

 

Mortal participation in the second Urantia text
 

Roxie:  I know when you first announced this Second Revelatory Commission, you said it depended upon mortal participation to come up with questions that they had.  Have you received the mortal participation that you needed and expected?

 

MONJORONSON:  It is still in the early stages.  The participation that we see taking place through "The Urantia Book" following and through the Teaching Mission and Magisterial following, plus others who do not subscribe to either one of those missions.  There are numerous participants, but they are very similar in aspect to the awareness of those who are a part of the Reserve Corps of Destiny.  They have work to do; they have missions and goals to accomplish, but they may be totally unaware of their being a part of this activity. 

 

Roxie:  Will this book also contain information about the growth of our scientific progress and maybe truths about our history that we've jumbled together nonsensically? 

 

MONJORONSON:  It will provide a similar base of information as the tenor of "The Urantia Book."

 

Roxie:  That is all the questions that I have at the moment.  Do you have any subjects that you would really like us to get into during these sessions that we've neglected to ask because of our ignorance?

 

"When the student is ready, the teacher appears"
 

MONJORONSON:  No, I care not to provide any at this time.  It is very similar to the old saying that "when the student is ready, the teacher appears," and so it would appear that the students have enough work to do and are occupied with many events now on their minds.  I would not bring any new subjects forward at this time, but continue to emphasize old subjects, particularly the work of individuals to come to know the Father personally and intimately and to actually experience Its presence in their lives, to unite in friendship with the Source within them, to thoroughly understand the oneness that It has for you, as individuals, and for all together.  The experience of knowing the ultimate reality of the universe is something that is primary to the healing of your planet and every planet.  When there is sufficient percentage of individuals who come to know the First Source and Center within them through their Thought Adjuster, then that world changes rapidly.  It is a tipping point that does not require 50% of all people to come to know or to experience, but a significant number.  Their reality then has a definite "weight" to it to influence others' minds; and, they will come to seek to experience it as well.  You have seen this phenomenon occur many times in your world, and it occurs even now with the mania to buy these odd little communication devices that people carry around with them; then there is a certain identification, a certain lead in curiosity to explore this.  That is so for knowing God as well.  It is why we strive to emphasize that individuals coming into personal relationship with the Divine is essential to their own personal growth and to the healing of their planet.

 

Mr. McCray, do you have questions?

 

Other planets in the rebellion
 

MMc:  The questions about the other planets involved in the rebellion:  Have they received something on the order of the revelation, similar to "The Urantia Book?"

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, approximately four of them have.  Other worlds had a previous experience with an Avonal Son and had an Adam and Eve.  They were much more developed and progressed in their citizenship into the fold of the universe family of Nebadon and not necessarily in need of such a document.  You must realize that few planets express such diversity in races and cultures and ethic groups and belief systems as Urantia.  Urantia is a "fruit salad" with also vegetables and nuts, and so on, mixed in.  You have a highly complex world to manage and it was deeply in need of a central organizing document that could help Urantia make sense of its history and its place in the universe and the purpose of its existence, and the purpose of the existence of individuals.

 

Desire for a savior among mortals
 

MMc:  There seems to be a feeling of belief by many Urantians that our world needs to undergo a period of drastic change, perhaps with wars coming out of this, or a savior to save us.  Can you explain why this belief is unrealistic within your knowledge of how the Father works?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  Let me address some earlier sections of your statement first, that there is already underway tremendous change and travesty and tragedy through cataclysms and catastrophes that will affect your planet without the necessity of wars.  Wars polarize and politicize events, issues and nations and are far more destructive long-term than are natural cataclysms.  Yes, there is a feeling within people for a savior.  Unbeknownst to your scientists, there is within the genomic program of mortals the yearning for an Adam and Eve and an Avonal Son.  There is expectancy within the very core of your species and of all sentient beings who will eventually be either invested with the Spirit of the Son, or the Spirit of the Infinite Spirit, or of the Father, as you are here on this planet.  You are programmed to anticipate the return of your Father image, your Father figure, whether it is an Adam and Eve or an Avonal Son, or a Melchizedek, or some Avatar teacher, a Master.  This is programmed into all races and species that will receive one of the three Divine entities as a personal companion to each individual.  

 

The mistake comes when individuals on an immature and primitive planet as Urantia begin to seek that out and begin to assign that Savior-ship to figures and events and developments that are disconnected from the Divine Administration and Management of that world.  This is truly the case that is occurring on your world.  There is a sense of desperation that is pandemic across the face of your world that there is impending doom, impending cataclysms, the end of something, the end of their life as an individual, the collapse of their societies and so they seek to have a savior figure come to their rescue.  The messianic figure is not present in all races or species; it is something peculiar to only certain segments of your Urantia population.  However, it is also connected to the "savior complex"-you may call it-which is endemic to the very nature of your humanness, to your species.  Does this help explain?

 

Why is the co-creative solution being used on Urantia?
 

MMc:  Yes.  So, I think you've explained why we have this feeling, or this belief.  Can you explain to us why, in our present situation, we are dealing with co-creative solutions to the problems that we now have, rather than experiencing this savior to come in and save us?

 

MONJORONSON:  The question is?

 

MMc:  What is it about the way that the Father does things that we will not see a savior come in during the Correcting Time to save us from our situation?  We will need to co-creatively move from where we are now into a better situation?

 

MONJORONSON:  This is intrinsic to the Correcting Time; it is the co-creativity by Christ Michael, it was his determination in conference with Uversa and others, to develop the Correcting Time as a co-creative activity for the greatest development of experience useful to God the Supreme.  Christ Michael realized that the desperate situation of Urantia and two other planets was such that co-creative activity would and could produce the greatest return for their efforts, while leading the planet forward into the days of light and life.  Such co-creativity is almost totally unknown in all seven Superuniverses [but] it is not unique.  However it is very exceptional to the course of worlds, even those worlds that have been in rebellion.  This is the most astounding development in an area of rebellion which has the approval of those in Orvonton and Havona.  It is this cautious optimism that this will result in positive outcomes.  This unique program would not have been approved had it been seen through future annals of time as a failure.  There is enough to predict even for millennia that this program will ultimately be successful.  This has been deeply designed for this particular and peculiar time in the history and development of Urantia, so that the crises, which are now eminent in your world, that these will contribute to the yearning of individuals to seek that savior model only after they have participated co-creatively in the improvement and development of their world and civilization.

 

I am going to stretch your mind now, sir, that you must view planets and their civilizations in different ways.  Many planets have progressed through the development of visitations by Adams and Eves and from Avonal Sons, and its Sons, such as Machiventa, who was the Sage of Salem.  This occurs on other planets as well, planets that have not gone through rebellion and default and betrayal, as has occurred on Urantia.  On those planets there is no dependency that would generate from having a savior figure come there.  That individual would not be seen as a savior, but one who is a model to emulate by the citizens, occupants of that planet.  However, on a severely debilitated planet [such] as Urantia, these individuals would be seen as "saviors," removing the responsibilities and burdens of helping yourself heal and save yourselves.  There is no progression in that.  The end result, if that did occur, would be billions upon billions of individuals who would be debilitated with this in their mind when they crossed over to the mansion worlds, that they would continue to be lost little children, little "chicks," so to speak, in a storm, lacking the protection of their mother, always seeking assistance in savior-ship from outside themselves, and these individuals would struggle and struggle for eons before they came to realize that they were fully responsible for their progress of their ascendant lives.  They would be "damaged goods," so to speak.  Therefore, Christ Michael's program, while seemingly extreme and severe, is actually the best way forward to heal and to prepare billions of souls for an abundantly prosperous and rewarding ascendant career.  Do you see this difference, sir?

 

MMc:  Yes, I do.  It seems to be consistent with the same decisions he made when he was present on Urantia, not to lead a force, an army, in opposition to Rome to assuage its people.

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and neither did he emulate the guru, the "all and everything," making people dependent upon him, either.

 

MMc:  I was expecting some type of simple answer along the lines of making changes by fiat that would not be in the. that many people would not agree with it, so to make vast changes by fiat would interfere with their free will.

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely, it would be contrary to a wise and capable Creator as Christ Michael is.

 

Michael's decision to leave no one behind
 

MMc:  I wonder if you would dialog with me for a few moments on Michael's decision that "none will be left behind, that all souls from Urantia shall be saved."  This will mean that all will be saved to the afterlife.  Am I correct?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.

 

MMc:  Why was this decision made?

 

MONJORONSON:  [It is] in the best interests of the greatest number of individuals.  Ignorance is understandable and such decisions of mortality and ascendancy cannot be made in ignorance.

 

MMc:  We don't really have this information because of the rebellion, we don't really have a good idea, a knowledgeable idea of what the afterlife is like.

 

MONJORONSON:  That is correct.

 

MMc:  It appears to me that if we haven't learned to live with it while here, we will have to do it in the afterlife.  What kind of changes would we see, what kind would we experience or anticipate in this regard.

 

MONJORONSON:  Clarify, please.

 

MMc:  How might our experience be altered in the afterlife with so many arriving on mansonia who have no expectation that they would be there?

 

MONJORONSON:  This has been explained before, that there is instant awareness.  Once an individual has been acclimated, they begin to understand rapidly their situation and have enough information to put their history in perspective.  Does this answer your question?

 

What has Monjoronson's crew been working on?
 

MMc:  Yes, I believe so.  I understand that for you, one day is very much like another, while there is always some anticipation at the end of the year [for us], anticipation of the coming year, the excitement of the holidays may also be gotten.  What have you and your staff been up to lately?  What should we anticipate or be looking for as far as things that will be happening in our future that you may have been responsible for?

 

MONJORONSON:  We will leave that as part of the mystery and let you discover that yourselves.

 

MMc:  I don't have any more questions.  Is there anything that you would like to say at this time?

 

Hiatus in these sessions until more questions are generated
 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  If you have not noticed, we surely have, that there has come an era of uncertainty on the mortals' part, both yours-the two of you-and those of our audience, and those who are an audience to other sources of information, we sense a cessation of meaningful questions and with the exception of one or two, which I answered in depth above, we would like to take a hiatus for a period of time.  Let us reconvene after the first of the year when you have your bearings as to what has been said, what is true and what is not true.  We will have our ear to the ground, so to speak, to see how people are reacting to the falsehoods that were given and the truisms that were shared.  

 

I do not want this to become a superfluous activity, but one that has meaning, one that is not obligatory, but one that you seek, one that you are curious [about], one that you anticipate and are eager to engage.  We know that the audience-our larger audience besides you three-have their minds on many other things.  This does not surprise us, as there are many events in the world occupying the minds of mortals besides confusion between the different leadings and leanings within these two missions.  It would not be surprising to us that there would be a lack of attention for several months.

 

Therefore, do not be surprised that it is just the three or four of us, plus my crew, who meet occasionally for a private conversation.  We are not here for entertainment for the larger audience, but for meaningful direction and guidance and to assist individuals who seek understanding to have clarity in their purpose and direction in their own personal missions.  We would be highly open, available to giving direction to individuals who wish to know more about their own work.  The conversation with Jeff Cutler was most enjoyable for us; it was eminently sincere and authentic on his part and our own.  We do not seek, however, an audience with individuals who wish to meet us for their own titillation and amusement and self-aggrandizement.  We would reserve this time to those individuals who are particularly and directly engaged in working with us in the missions of Christ Michael, whether that is through an individual mission or whether it is a group mission as you have with the Magisterial Mission and the Teaching Mission.  There are individuals who are primary to the work and fulfillment at this era of time with the larger Correcting Time.  

 

Individuals do have a capacity to make immense impact upon their generation and following generations.  The events of the contemporary times are such that you do not have to wait decades or centuries for the eminence for someone's work to become known and useful, as was passed in centuries before, where the discoveries and insights of an individual had to wait decades and centuries to be acknowledged and appreciated.  Now that can occur within weeks, months and a year or two at most.  It is these individuals we seek to be of assistance to, so that we can co-create with them far more consciously and directly.

 

Do you have further questions?

 

MMc:  Not at this time.

 

MONJORONSON:  Hearing none, I wish you a good day and let us reconvene after the first of the year.  Is this acceptable to you?

 

MMc & Roxie:  Yes, thank you.

 

MONJORONSON:  I bid you a good day.

 

 
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