[tmtranscripts] CWM #57, Aug. 17, 2012

[Roxanne Andrews]

PR

Conversations with Monjoronson #57 - Consciousness and Self-awareness - Aug. 17, 2012

 

Topics:

Consciousness/self-awareness is one facet of personality

Consciousness as an individual and as part of a larger society

You are social beings in relationship to others

The spiritual component of consciousness

Reaching for Divine Perfection of consciousness

Quantitative and qualitative capacity for consciousness

Intents and goals for focusing consciousness

The need to write down our intentions

Encoded genetic beliefs

Collective beliefs and assumptions

The global needs of sustainability processes

The culture of "me-ism" must change

Monjoronson's summation

 

TR:  Daniel Raphael

Moderator:  Michael McCray

 

August 17, 2012
 

Prayer:  Heavenly Father, once again we gather in your light and love with the intention of doing your Will in our efforts to serve mankind by working with Monjoronson, our Magisterial Son.  We ask that our universe parents, Christ Michael and Nebadonia, be present with us to guide us in this work of healing our planet.  We are forever grateful for this opportunity to serve and hope our efforts bring you glory.  Amen.

 

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, this is Monjoronson, and welcome to our open forum.

 

Roxie:  Good morning, Monjoronson!  

 

MONJORONSON:  Good morning, dear.  What topics do we have on tap today?

 

MMc:  I have a few questions for you on "consciousness," and one of our readers sent me a few more.  Before we start, do you have anything to say to us?

 

MONJORONSON:  Not today, thank you.  

 

MMc:  My first question is on consciousness.  You told us our consciousness in our reality is the awareness of ourselves being conscious.  It is self-awareness in its most simplistic form.  I believe you have also said that some of us don't have this form of self-awareness.  Is there some way that we might develop this simple consciousness further?  And how does one go about doing that?

 

Consciousness/self-awareness is one facet of personality
 

MONJORONSON:  Consciousness-self-awareness-as you are finding, is one aspect or facet of a personality.  There is a holism of thinking that occurs that begins with a person's mind being reflective in nature.  When individuals are busy doing things, planning things, working with schedules, resources, [other] individuals and so on, they have very little time to reflect.  In an extremely busy society, where individuals are continually busy in whatever endeavors they are involved in, they have little time to reflect, and that reflection becomes an odd sort of activity, which is out of the norm.  This capacity to reflect on life seems to diminish as the technology of a culture advances, and that the art of being human, of being individual, of being an individual in a social environment decreases.  The isolation that is occurring in the western technologically oriented nations has caused a tremendous loss of reflectivity/reflection on the part of individuals.  

 

How a person becomes more and more self-conscious, self-aware, increases in the level of their consciousness, is remarkable.  It can, in fact, occur that an individual would be reflective in nature, but yet not perceive that they are examining their own thinking.  They are unaware of their own processes of thought.  This development is dependent upon increased educational levels of a society to bring about a group of individuals who are thinkers, philosophers, those who think about topics and so on.  This was epitomized by Descartes when he said, "I think, therefore I am," which tells you and tells us that he had consciousness and that it was fairly well evolved.

 

MMc:  So raising the level of consciousness isn't necessarily looking at your own self-awareness, the way that your mind works, but it may also be being reflective upon life in general, upon other people, upon certain ideas and philosophies?

 

Consciousness as an individual and as part of a larger society
 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, exactly so.  Consciousness can apply to the individual, but the individual can also develop their consciousness, their self-awareness as themselves, as a part of the larger society, and then become an observer of that society in a global civilization.  So it is the consciousness as a facet, the core facet of the observer-self.  The observer-self is to.

 

[This is Daniel:  He doesn't want to say the self-observer is tantamount to consciousness, but the individual must see themselves as separate and apart from their body and their own environment.]

 

MONJORONSON:  So, you are beginning to see that the observer-self, the reflective-self and consciousness are all related, that consciousness is the overarching title or word that you give to all of these activities, and that through these activities, consciousness is able to develop.  Consciousness is a practiced art that becomes more and more heightened as one examines their life and their thinking.  There is a caveat, something that must be noted by individuals that consciousness is best developed when it is shared with others to confirm and validate the conclusions of consciousness and self-awareness.  The individual who examines their own thinking must be cautious that they do not become deeply involved in self-analysis and find themselves in a rabbit hole of inner reflection and lose their way.

 

MMc:  That's a very good caveat to remember, that we need to share our ideas with other people in order for our ideas to grow.  

 

You are social beings in relationship to others
 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you are social beings and your larger reality involves yourselves as a social being in relationship to other people.  Your consciousness is likewise an aspect of that social consciousness, that social awareness.  If your consciousness is of a solipsist nature, then you live in an isolated reality, which has little relevance even to yourself as a person in a larger society.  You must see your consciousness in relationship to other people and to your family, your community and larger society, as well as in relationship to God.  Once you become self-aware and you practice this, then you have a responsibility to become a planetary citizen, so to speak, where your responsibilities for life and living incorporate the awareness of others in their necessities and their needs as whole beings in relationship to you.  You become more real to the universe and to your ascension plan as you become a more effective and real part of the social environment in which you live.  You then become more attuned to living in harmony with others as a practice of living in harmony with yourself.

 

MMc:  Is this development of consciousness strictly a minded thing?  Or is there a spiritual component as well?

 

The spiritual component of consciousness
 

MONJORONSON:  There is a spiritual component to this because of the Seven Adjutant Spirits in your mind mechanism, which assists you to grow in all regards.  Remember, that your existence is developmental and that you are truly a spiritual being occupying a material body at this time.  The development of all that exists is within yourself is primarily oriented towards your ascendant spiritual career.  Therefore, you will have great influence upon your self, in this lifetime, by the spiritual influences to enhance your spiritual sustainability.

 

MMc:  You mentioned this developing consciousness, makes you a better universal citizen, so I assume that this awareness of self is in some relation to the universe and God?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.  In accord with the evolutionary and developmental maturity of your mind mechanism, you become able with greater increasing capacity to become aware of other conscious influences in your life, yet you become aware principally of your own consciousness in yourself to make decisions that advance yourself.  You become aware of yourself in your immediate social venue and the consciousness of others to improve your life, and that those influences can help you improve yourself, and you also become aware that there is a spiritual/mindal connection between yourself and the spiritual realm of the Creator.  And for you, this is primarily the morontial realm. Many of you now are experiencing lower level morontial relationships and early forms of morontial mota, the guiding principles of morontial life and living.  Many people are unaware of this, but sense that they are evolved in their relationship to themselves as individuals, to their society, and to the larger universe to which they are growing into.   

 

MMc:  In "The Urantia Book" there is a hierarchy of Divine Perfection, beginning with Absolute Perfection in all things, to perfection in nothing.  It also says that the Father is completely self-aware.  Does the developmental level of consciousness parallel this hierarchy of Divine Perfection?

 

Reaching for Divine Perfection of consciousness
 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, it begins as nothing in individuals, who are animalistic and unaware of themselves as even "being," and grows into the eventual consciousness that approximates the Creator in the Creator Son, and finaliters to some degree, where there is a consciousness of all and the breadth of consciousness then incorporates all that has existed in their prior careers.  You have greater difficulty in conscious awareness of that which lies before you in your ascendant career, as you will need to learn how to grow into those roles and those responsibilities and that consciousness.  On the other hand, you have a tremendous self-awareness of the consciousness of yourself as you have had from this point in your life, backwards to the point where you were unaware.  The course of development of consciousness eventually includes the awareness of consciousness of others and the reciprocal responsibilities that you have with others and they with you.  This is not a symbiosis, but a reciprocal relationship of becoming, of developing, of becoming more perfect and more Godlike.  Yes, your consciousness does expand and will expand greatly and it is almost totally beyond your comprehension to understand what is ahead for yourselves.

 

 

 

Quantitative and qualitative capacity for consciousness
 

MMc:  Would you tell us what is meant by "quantitative and qualitative capacity for consciousness?"

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  What I was mentioning just a moment ago was mostly quantitative in nature, and that you have the perception of a broad expanse of other beings and of the universe and the relationship of that to yourself and to the subordinate parts.  There is-and thank you for your question that is excellently well stated-there is a qualitative nature to consciousness which necessarily qualifies the quantitative aspects of consciousness and that sense of awareness, and that is the qualification of your responsibilities to yourself and to others.  That is a qualifying, qualitative aspect [of] consciousness which gives your consciousness texture and depth and feeling and sensitivity to your needs and the needs of the universe and the needs of other people throughout.

 

["Just a moment, this is Daniel:  For some readers this will probably will be quite foreign to them as they are limiting themselves to the dimensions of this earth, but when he is discussing this, what I thoroughly see is the sectors and segments, administrative units of Nebadon and the vastness of all beings within Nebadon and with the mind of Monjoronson.  What he is really exploring and describing extends out to all of Orvonton, and that past Orvonton is a relationship of consciousness which then is part of Havona and Paradise, and that the consciousness within the material finite universe of the Seven Superuniverses is distinct from the consciousness that exists in eternity in Paradise.  I "see" that in my mind's eye very clearly, so when he is speaking of consciousness, he is not talking just about your. when he talks about "you" as an individual, he's talking about "you" in your house and where you live and not necessarily just this nation or this society or this world.  

 

"So, when he speaks of consciousness, it is in an incredible dimensional capacity, and it is qualified by the contact that he makes in the minds and consciousness and awareness of thousands and millions and billions of other beings.  So, when you ask him questions about consciousness, it's a mind-blower!  Even the word "vast" is not sufficient to explain what he's talking about.  So, when he explains "quantification," the quantifying capacity of consciousness, he really [is] just [seeing] the universe laid out before him in his mind's eye.  And when you talk about qualifications, qualitative aspects of consciousness, then it becomes a huge awareness of thousands, millions and billions of beings, and the quality of their consciousness and development and their conscious participation in the universe.  People usually don't have this broad understanding of consciousness.    

 

What is coming through now is like I'm being coached as I am saying this.  Just a second; Daniel will stop in a moment-so that there is a huge awareness of consciousness, awareness of other people, that the level of their development is very evident to him.  I apologize for that digression, but I think it is important that the audience understands the dimensions of his thought concerning this topic-it's HUGE!"]

 

MONJORONSON:  This is Monjoronson; please proceed.

 

MMc:  You were talking about quantitative and qualitative differences and their capacity within consciousness-within the realm of consciousness.

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.  I've finished that topic.  My companion here has rounded that out from his human, mortal perspective.  Thank you.

 

Intents and goals for focusing consciousness
 

MMc:  Would you explain how intent and goals are used in focusing consciousness?

 

MONJORONSON:  Let us use "intention" as an overarching aspect with "goals" being subordinate to that intention, then goals being measurable.  Your intention is devised mostly by your mind and your thinking, and is reflective in part of the depth of your consciousness to form an intention that is more or less complete.  The more self-aware and the deeper and greater your consciousness capacities are, the greater depth will be your intention in its formulation.  It is important that you have intentions for most everything you do, including an intention for your life.  What is the intention for your life?  That is not a rhetorical question, but a very spiritually pragmatic one, an answer to which will contribute tremendously to your spiritual growth-or not.  

 

You may have an intention for your life to become as whole and complete as you possibly can, or it could be an intention to develop all the innate potential within you, at all levels of consciousness in your being during this lifetime.  It could be an intention to be of immense service to others and which also contributes to the development of your own soul.  Those are huge intentions.  When you dedicate this intention and you repeat it and hold it in mind, your mind holds that intention as a pattern against the resources of the universe so that intention is eventually fulfilled.  

 

It may be that you devised this intention early in your life, and so you went to college and you had the goal of completing college in some degree program that would make a contribution to your life and to the fulfillment of your intention.  It may be eventually, that you had the goal of marrying a partner who is in alignment with your life's intention, who was respectful of your intentions and wanted to participate and contribute to your life and you held a similar intention for their life, that you would have the goal of begetting children, so that you could more fully fulfill the intention of your spiritual lifetime by understanding the roles and responsibilities and obligations of having children, which emulates the role of the Creator Father in your lifetime.  And so, this is the difference between goals and intentions.  Does this make sense to you?

 

The need to write down our intentions
 

MMc:  Yes, it does.  Thank you.  You have asked us to write down our intentions to save them.  As an exercise. I'm not sure.  The question that was raised in me about this was raised by a gentleman of a religious order who said that he has the same intention every day and he wondered why he needed to write that intention down.  His intention was to serve God.  I guess the question is, why do we need to write these down?

 

MONJORONSON:  The need to write your intentions down is because your mind is much like a pool, with thoughts which are swimming around, and that when you have a thought it can swim away from you and you forget it, whereas a written intention requires a language base, for you to use the language base to record it on a piece of paper.  By doing so, you imprint your mind kinesthetically through the action of your hand writing the words, and then if you say that out loud, then you are also practicing using the intention through your thought processes to speak it, and further that hearing those words from your mouth, imprints again on your mind through hearing those words.  

 

So, it is not just writing down the words, but to then repeat them aloud and hear yourself saying them.  This way you have the full attention of your thoughts being held in a focused position.  It is much like feeding fish, that when you have the bucket of feed, they come to you at that designated time and you have their attention.  So, you, in your consciousness, want to have your thoughts, you want to hold the attention of your thoughts, so that your thoughts remain focused and that they are held in mind, so that universe energy can fulfill the pattern of your intention.  That is why you write it down, that you are a broadcasting mechanism to the universe energy to fulfill that which you write.  

 

There is clarity and simplicity to your thoughts and your intention, and [if] this intention is fully in alignment with the universe of good and of light, then that intention will more likely be fulfilled by the assistance of your guardians and by the personalities of the universe.  Whereas, if you hold an intention in mind, that is out of alignment and contrary to the good will of the universe, then only you will use your mind to bring that into existence.  Because universe energy is neutral, it can be manipulated and used by any mind intention.  We teach this to you to use your good intentions, intentions that help bring about the light of the universe for you and your highest, greatest, good.  You have a responsible relationship to the universe to assist in its perfect development by holding good intentions in your life.

 

 

Encoded genetic beliefs
 

MMc:  You've told us that the beliefs of our forefathers are ingrained and encoded in our genetics, and so these beliefs persist.  Would you like to comment further on that?

 

MONJORONSON:  I have said a good deal about that already, as have other teachers.  I think I know where you are going with this question, but I would rather you ask it overtly.

 

MMc:  Where I'm going with this is how do we break these codes, or how do we get around this genetic programming?

 

MONJORONSON:  Thank you.  How you do that is to expose those old beliefs.  Now, these beliefs can also act in your life as assumptions.  Most beliefs that you hold are overt, so that when someone asked, "Well, what do you believe about such and such?" and you would tell them.  But the old programming that you hold in your genetic code, really are those hidden, unexposed assumptions that you hold in your mind.  Once you bring those beliefs and assumptions to mind, then you can make a conscious decision as to what you want to believe, what you want to accept in your life and your thinking, and that which you do not.  

 

It is important that when you go through the lists of your beliefs and the assumptions in your life-and this may seem tedious, but it is very necessary to do-that you actually make a conscious decision to accept and ingrain those beliefs that support the good of your life, and that you reject and disavow the beliefs that do not contribute to the good of your life.  Beliefs, truly, as we have said before, are "maps" for living, as they are those scripted statements in your mind that act automatically when you enter into certain situations.  If you are now conscious of your beliefs and the assumptions that underlie them, then they will continue to operate.  That is why this work of exposing assumptions and beliefs in social sustainability design teams is so important.  The way they become known to you is from the awareness-or from the statements of other team members that they disagree with that, that they have a differing belief, and that they have always "thought"-that's an assumption-such and such about that belief, or the topic of the belief.  When this comes out into the open in the team environment, then you can write them down and examine them and discuss the workability of those beliefs and assumptions.  

 

Of course, in the context of the design team, the criteria for acceptance is anything that supports social sustainability.  That is the sole operation of the design team; therefore you are not going to get lost in other goals or other avenues of discussion concerning a topic.  Focus and centralizing intention of the team environment is to work towards social sustainability and to determine what works and what does not work to support social sustainability.  Whereas, if you were a group of individuals at a party, at a social gathering, and there was a discussion about beliefs and assumptions, but there was no guiding principle or intention, then there is no process of validating what works and what does not work-it is simply one person's opinion as opposed to another person's opinion.  The process of exposing beliefs and assumptions is primary to the maturation of an individual and their capacity to make responsible decisions that contribute to their own personal life and also to the life and existence of their society.  You are really getting to the heart of responsible, socially sustainable existence when you ask that question.  I will withdraw now for a moment for you to gather your thoughts and ask another question.

 

Collective beliefs and assumptions
 

MMc:  This question, [which] came to me while I was listening to you, is that there are certain worldviews where people generally hold certain beliefs and assumptions collectively.  Do you believe that our cultural differences and our nationalistic differences and the differences in our makeup are such that those assumptions or beliefs that will come out in sustainability design teams, do you believe that sustainability design teams will be able to overcome the situation where people hold beliefs and assumptions in common?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, they will.  The whole effort of the primary intentions of the Correcting Time and particularly of the work of social sustainability is to bring people to the awareness that in order to have social sustainability, for even a small community, there must be a sense of wholeness and oneness that pervades all thinking, of all individuals in the world.  The beliefs and assumptions that must be overcome, which are so deeply ingrained in your genetic memory, are the beliefs and assumptions that your group are "The People."  If you look at the language of indigenous peoples, you will find that they call themselves "The People," that all others are not people, and so that when two tribes meet each other-or nations of people meet each other-they say, "We are 'The People' and you are foreigners; you are not really people, and so we can kill you without any moral problems with that."  That is unsustainable.  So, when you extend this to a global community, then you realize that the genetic memory of people generally excludes everyone who seems to be different, whether it is males and females, adults and children, whether it is one nation against another, whether it is one ethnic group and another, or whether it is one religious group and another.  This sense of separation is anathema to social sustainability.  It is one of the beliefs and its attendant assumptions that must crumble and disappear.  

 

You-meaning the larger society and your social philosophers-have come to realize that we are "one."  You see this on the Internet:  We are one; we are all in this together; we are the family of humanity, and that how we live affects everyone else, and everyone else affects us.  Therefore, within the very foundations of social sustainability, it begins to dawn on those who participate that you are reciprocally and symbiotically connected to everyone else, and the more immediately, geographically, physically close to you, the more so.  However, in a developed world as your own, those individuals in Bangladesh can have a tremendous impact on the people of Baltimore and vice versa, and that the earthquakes that occur in Tibet, eventually will have repercussions upon the lives of those in Los Angeles, so that these must be overcome.  The very simplicity of the differences between men and women, adults and children, must be overcome and must be looked at and those beliefs and assumptions must be tested towards their contribution towards social sustainability.   The adult-ism that occurs in many societies is tremendously disadvantageous to the longevity of those societies.  You learn eventually that other individuals are not a resource for your satisfying your ego or for your needs, but that they are in this world together with you and you have a reciprocal responsibility to accept them and they to accept you.  Then you decide how to live co-creatively and peacefully and sustainably.  Does this answer your question?

 

MMc:  Yes it does; yes, it does.  Thank you.

 

I hadn't realized that that stems back to the beginning days of tribes and calling themselves "The People," but as you said that, it suddenly flipped me around to my anthropology, and you are correct.  It's obviously where all this is coming from.  The originators in any particular area have their own genesis tales and they are the rightful people and everybody else are foreigners.

 

MONJORONSON:  Now, can you see that if you extend this discussion and this way of thinking to those people who occupy the Pentagon, who are in powerful political positions and military and economic positions, that this primitive belief system with their attendant unspoken, unexposed assumptions, are incredibly detrimental to the advancement of your civilization, let alone the advancement of your societies and nations, that much of the thinking that is done by the powerful decision-makers are done so out of the old, old, ancient thought patterns that are deeply ingrained in their genetic memory.  When you begin to think in terms of social sustainability-not as opposed to that ancient thinking, but as it accepts the ancient thinking that supports social sustainability and that which does not, and particularly so for a modern, contemporary civilization on a small planet-then you begin to realize the decisions that are being made today and those that have been made yesterday and the decades before, are having a tremendously detrimental impact upon the sustainability of your world, materially and socially.  Does this make sense to you?  Hopefully it does.

 

MMc:  Oh yes, it does.  Yes it does.

 

The global needs of sustainability processes
 

MONJORONSON:  What we have begun in the Correcting Time with the social sustainability processes is not just a singular, isolated effort, but one that will create a global culture of thinking that supports the sustainability of your world as a physical, social, and spiritual realm or environment.  It is the venue from which souls are generated.  The venue now, as we see it, is where so many souls are lost because they make the decision not to continue.  You must have in your mind now, the awareness, it must be dawning upon your awareness and consciousness that there is so much work to do, and that there is such an adverse culture to the continuity, let alone sustainability of your world as it exists right now.  This is no small project, my friends, and we are not going to leave any stone unturned until we have exposed the majority of your global population to the necessities of social sustainability in order for it to continue and not collapse into oblivion.

 

MMc:  Social sustainability then is the one attempt that will get us out of the situation where everybody has their own set of values and their own set of goals.  [What it brings] to mind is this [very] primitive thinking; we get a situation where typically everyone is at odds with everyone else.

 

The culture of "me-ism" must change
 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, the "me-ism" of recent generations, and particularly of materially acquisitive western cultures and nations, is deeply contrary to the holism and oneness of all people, and that the decision-making by those who advocate me-ism, is deeply opposed to the continuance of other people's lives.  That is why to change a culture gradually in a peaceful situation, without cultural trauma, is almost impossible.  And that is why our work is so deeply involved and we are in such an urgent mode of action right now, in anticipation of those global, social, economic, military, political, geophysical and astrophysical catastrophes that are in the process of occurring.  We can take advantage of those situations so that when your world is able to catch its breath, it begins to redesign itself as sustainable, rather than accepting the old paradigm that exists right now in your societies and in your cultures.  The old paradigm that you are living in now is not sustainable, and it surely will collapse.  It is important that you-meaning the larger groups of people in the world who will be here to reform and rebuild your world-will do so with a plan that is in agreement with the sustainability of the whole planet, socially and materially. 

 

Do you have other questions for me today?

 

MMc:  Yes, I have other questions, but I think it would be. they are not on this topic and I think the topic deserves some closing words by you.  I wish you would do that for us and I will hold those [other] questions for another time.

 

Monjoronson's summation
 

MONJORONSON:  Thank you.  We have spoken of consciousness today; we have spoken of wholeness and oneness; we have also spoken of the cataclysms that are and will occur on your world, and we have spoken about social sustainability and material sustainability.  We have also spoken about the reconstitution or the re-creation of your global society during and after the cataclysms.  What I want to point out now is that these are all related and that those of you who have consciousness, awareness of yourself, will also develop that to have awareness of your planet, of other locations of other people, and that you become aware that all of the topics we have spoken about today are integrated, and that consciousness, the observer-self, reflection, contemplation are all necessary ingredients and resources for the re-creation of your world to become a sustainable planet in all regards.  

 

This topic of consciousness is not shared in isolation with other topics, but it is deliberately related and given to you as connected to all other topics, and that it is necessary and primary for you to co-creatively participate with us in the healing and re-creation of your world as one that is moving towards the days of light and life.  Therefore, we ask you to bless yourself and open yourself-and invite yourself-to be open and receptive to the influences of your spiritual assistants, midwayers, guardians and the Melchizedeks, so that you can be a far more powerful, conscious, co-creator with us in the world that comes into existence.  

 

Thank you for your time that you have given today to read through this tedious material, which for some of you is exceptionally deep and not very entertaining.  However, for those conscious cultural creatives, this will be the material that is primary to the decisions that you make to assist us in the future.  We thank you.  You have only to ask the questions and to invite us into your lives to assist you to fulfill your intentions for this work with us, for us to be there and assist you powerfully, deliberately and intentionally to accomplish this work that we must do together.  I thank you for your time.  Good day. 

 

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