[tmtranscripts] SE Idaho Transcript 2-16-01

[Bill Kelly]

2-16-01 

Southeast Idaho TeaM

Unknown: (tape lost)....the words your representatives have prepared for
us.  Never worry about yesterday, but have faith for tomorrow while we live
today.  Amen.

Daniel: My friends, I am Daniel, your teacher, your guide, your friend and
your elder brother.  I have listened with considerable interest to your
discussion this evening and it has been decided that the content for
tonight's lesson, the next in the installment of self esteem, will be
postponed for two reasons: the first, that you have plates that are heaped
so full with spiritual food so that it is falling off the edges; and the
second, that a larger group would be more beneficial in terms of
interaction with the material originally planned for this evening.
Therefore, I will now attempt to respond to the questions you have posed
already so that we can begin to eat this meal with some degree of decorum,
rather than look upon the massive helping upon your plates with
anticipatory indigestion.(Group laughter)

Isaac has made a point that I was in concurrence with, in regard to the
fact that my assignment to you was not a lifelong project for an
overconscientious review of every small error that you should chance to
come upon, but was intended to be a laboratory experience in which the
process of analysis and discovery would enable you to become familiar with
the steps that are required for successful "root cause analysis".   The
other point, that I wish to also agree with, is that I do not want you to
become bogged down in over analyzing so that you create in your own minds a
fearsome assignment, which is counterproductive and results in a lack of
faith in the flow of guidance and assurance of confidence which comes to
you when you are willing to do God's will.  

The truth is that if you are completely obedient to the direction of God in
your life you will be able to transcend error.  Only one person, so far,
has been able to accomplish that, and that is our Creator Son, himself.
But such is an ideal and a possibility for every human being.  The
achievement of Jesus as a perfected mortal was the result of his human will
and human nature being willing to submit and to blend with his divine
nature, so that the two became one and his personal will was undivided.
This process of personality unification occurred over his lifetime until it
was culminated and finalized at his baptism.  Your life, as you move toward
God in greater and greater alignment, will become a life that will see
fewer and fewer mistakes.  So, please do not become burdened with the idea
that we are going to focus on the negative and that you should become a
dissector of all information.  This is not the purpose of my assignment.  I
will stop here and see if I have further muddied the waters or whether we
now are clear about this. Are there questions?

Ken: This is a continual type of process that we will go through, will we
not, Daniel?  We will always try to analyze our mistakes to a degree and
continue on, since we are prone to making errors all the time.

Daniel: Yes. But as Jonderock (Bob S.) said so well, it is the ones that
you keep making and the ones with serious impact that require this kind of
analysis.  The small errors that occur occasionally may not be of serious
enough import for this process.  However, you are correct, Ken.  It is an
ongoing business.  Remember that the mansion worlds progress even as your
life progresses on this plane and correction is not an infinite process.
There is an end to correction where you move past it into a new experience
of attaining the perfectedness of procreation.  So while it is true that
you will continue to make mistakes, your mistakes will become fewer and
less serious as you continue to align with the Father.  Is this....?
Ken: Yeah, that's good to know.

Daniel: Trust me that I tell you the truth, my friend.  It is not a
repetitious circle.  It is a spiral which moves upward.  While you may
revisit some of those mistakes, when you do so using the analysis, you will
move upward and will not have to repeat those same errors.

Ken: The spiral becoming smaller at the top, to perfection.

Daniel: Yes, that is a visual way of presenting the increasing volume of
perfection which will fill your soul.
I would not want this emphasis upon analysis to drag you down.  It was
merely a magnification of our truth microscope in order to give you some
structure for responding to my general statement that the purpose of
mistakes is to learn and grow.  In an evolutionary universe, which is
incomplete, this purpose is entirely consistent with all of the realm of
the evolving Supreme.  Are there any other issues or questions regarding
the material I have presented so far over the three lessons on self esteem
that we need to talk about?  (Pause)  How about the issue of shame and
guilt?  Have you been completely enlightened?

Ken: I don't know if I will ever be completely enlightened on that.
(Laughter).

Daniel: Touche. 

Ken: Part of the analysis procedure is to recognize any shame or guilt
involved.

Daniel: Yes, Ken, but I was referring to the idea that making a mistake is
a shameful thing.  That concept.

Ken: I have made too many mistakes to be shameful.  (Laughing)

Daniel: Are there questions you would like to ask regarding some other
subject?  I will broaden the scope of our discussion to elicit other
information.

Bob: I do have a question, Daniel, that I would raise that I think is
germane.  Personally, and with the circle of friends I run with, we are
going through a period of major illnesses.  Are the illnesses that human
being suffer part of the plan for life experiences for us to obtain, or
what is their role?  Can you comment on that?

Daniel: First of all, you need to understand that it is erroneous to
believe that illness is a punishment from God, that it is in any way an
arbitrary act by Deity on the children of men.  Illness on your planet has
been greatly influenced by the failure of the previous planetary
administrations to fulfill their destiny.  The rebellion of Caligastia
destroyed the progress of that civilization and interfered with the
biologic evolution which would have strengthened the races by elimination
of defective traits to as greater degree than did occur.  Then the
premature default of Adam and Eve reduced the positive genetic upstepping
which would have happened if the plan had been allowed to take its intended
course.  Consequently, your experience with disease is in excess of what
was expected by your Life Carrier supervisors and has exceeded the
intentions of experimentation altogether that this decimal planet was
intended to establish.

The interpretation of illness that some postulate, I also counsel against,
that interpretation being that illness is something that a person wishes
upon themselves at an unconscious level in a sort of Karmic framework.
This is only a slight variation from the first error, that God brings
illness upon us as a punishment.  In this variation a person brings it upon
himself or herself, as a punishment.  

But this idea has to be distinguished from a similar concept, which is,
that illness can be the result of lifestyle error in which unhealthy habits
contribute to outcomes.  You are familiar with these unhealthy habits:
overeating, lack of exercise, ingesting harmful pollutants into the body,
allowing stress and worry to dominate, decrying humor, and taking
everything too seriously.  Mental and physical bad habits do result in
health problems, but they are not punishments as in the first two errors.
They are not punishments; they are consequences.  They are effects of
causes.  There is no wrath or negativity in them.  They are simply the laws
of God.

Some illnesses are the result of pure accident for not everything in the
evolving universes is under perfect control.  To teach that there are no
accidents in the universe is another error which is  popular in your
culture at this time.  There are, in fact, accidents that do occur, that
have no meaning at all, outside of themselves.

Now, these are the causes of illness.  Your bodies were not designed to
live forever.  You were not given the life sustaining circuits that the
Material Sons are given.  Your bodies are designed to wear out when the
repair process is overcome by the deterioration process.  This is not
undesirable.  It is not, as some of your physicians feel, a shame to have
to see death overtake life.  This is the way it is designed to be.

Finally, I would say this.  All the things that come to mortals which are
interpreted as illness or accident or misfortune are capable of having
positive outcomes.  They are learning opportunities, even if there is no
intention, as there isn't in accidents, in the event itself.  All events,
all things that come to a person, are learning opportunities.  They can be
refused.  They can be utilized.  So, whether or not they, in themselves,
have that purpose, always is that learning opportunity a part of the
picture.  Has that helped you in your understanding?

Bob: I think so.  And thank you for that eloquent response.   One more
thing.  As a physician, personally, when you were mortal, you seem to
counsel as though physical illness and mental illness are related.  Will
our medicine eventually evolve to that point where we will combine mental
and physical illnesses into just illnesses in a holistic point of view.  Is
that legal for you to say how that might evolve somewhere down the road?

Daniel: All societies that reach Light and Life reach the understanding
that mental, physical and spiritual are intertwined, that these are the
three levels of reality in the universe: the physical, the mindal, and the
spiritual.  They are totally combined in the lives of human beings.  At
your understanding level in your science, and in your religion, there is
not complete unification by any means.  However, there is evidence of
progress in that direction.  So, my answer to you is, while I cannot see
the future of Urantia, I do know the pattern that prevails in the universes
and that pattern is unification and fuller understanding.  Has this
satisfied your question?

Bob: Yes, and more.  That's broadened my thinking to include the spiritual
which I hadn't considered until you mentioned it.  

Daniel: That has been the missing part, you see.

Bob: On Urantia?

Daniel: Yes.  On Urantia.  Spiritual has been kept over here (gestures)
mental and physical over here.  Spiritual as it really is has to do with
your dual nature.  You are physical/mindal in one unit and spiritual in
another.  The purpose of your life is to come into alignment and blending,
the spiritual overriding the mindal which overrides the physical: the
spiritual with overcontrol over the mindal and the mindal with overcontrol
over the physical.  That is the goal and that is what we are trying to do
in these courses with you all.  Are you understanding?

Bob: But I think when human beings started out we had that just backwards.
We are first of all physical, we thought, and then we expanded that to our
mental side, and we still haven't plugged in the third side of that.

Daniel: Yes, and no.  You describe the so called "enlightenment" of the
last several hundred years.  But before this there was a different attitude
in which the spiritual was blended with the physical.  In fact, people
believed that rocks and trees were indwelt by spirit, and some people still
do.  This is not the kind of merging that I am talking about, for that is a
primitive non-scientific concept, attributing the unknown to spiritual
forces.  Science has made enormous strides in separating the physical
sources from superstitious beliefs.  

At the same time science has become enamored with its methodology to the
point that it has on a philosophical level excluded the mindal area, only
giving it secondary status as an epiphenomenon rather than a separate
reality and has dismissed the spiritual as superstition.  This is the so
called age of enlightenment, which is now drawing to a close because
science has become sophisticated enough to realize that it does not know
everything.  By the word science I refer to the beliefs of scientists, of
course.  Your role as intelligent people trained in science is to foster
this newer understanding of the relationship of physical, mindal, and
spiritual.  For this purpose the Urantia Book has been given for this time
in history.

Bob: Thank you.  That was most interesting and enlightening.

Daniel: My friends, my TR is pleading with me for a respite, so I will
honor him and say, "Thank you for your questions this evening" as well as
your discussion before the session.  We will continue with the curriculum
in the future, as soon as it is pertinent.  Continue to work on your
assignments, but don't stress over them and don't make them a major
component of all your waking time.  Just take it as a simple exercise.  You
do not have to do this with all the mistakes that you make for this would
turn your direction totally in the wrong way, inward and negative, no!
Enjoy your lives and keep your sense of humor.  Good evening.

Group: Good evening.  (Group joins in final prayer and........Daniel returns.)

Daniel(Bob S.): My children, go to your homes in comfort, knowing you are a
child of the Father, and as such, your future is secure.   Amen.  





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