[tmtranscripts] Pocatello transcript 3-26-99

[Bill Kelly]

3-26-99

Daniel (Bill): My friends, this is Daniel your guide, teacher, friend, and
colleague. I must comment on the spirit of your camaraderie this evening,
for, indeed, it is characteristic of the true harmony which you exhibit and
experience with each other as you are coming more and more into recognition
of your true family status. 

We who are unseen to your mortal eyes, but yet present to you by your
spiritual intuition, have also mingled and shared our observations and our
interactions as celestial beings.  We have had our family get-together as
well. In some sense, our joining with you in your family reunion experience
puts us in the role of older aunts and uncles, grandparents, perhaps.
However, we are not like some stereotypes of elderly people who cannot
remember and experience their ever-present child within, for it is one of
the beauties of ascension that everything that has been experienced of
value, is forever retained. So we, too, enjoy your childlike humor and
comfort in interacting and teasing and playing with each other.

We desire that you understand this clearly... Religious experience is not
pious. It is not morbid. It is not mystical or sacred. It is, rather,
characterized by joy and freedom. The aspect of humor that is lacking on
your planet at this time in its development is the over-reliance upon the
put-down aspect...laughing at the expense of another's folly. As you mature
you will find this kind of humor to be progressively unsatisfactory. You
will find it demeaning and it will no longer bring you pleasure. 

I have concluded my comments and I will now step aside so that others may
make their commentary as well. One moment. 

Klarixiska (Bill): Excuse the delay. I am Klarixiska. I wanted to greet you
all, my delightful younger brothers and sisters, and tell you how charming
you are and how much I am enjoying observing you letting down your hair and
letting go of the tensions of your everyday lives. 

As is often the case, our commentary to you is the result of your prior
interactions. We had thought in terms of addressing some of the meanings
that are pregnant in the forthcoming Holy Week, as it is termed in
Christianity.  Therefore we have allowed you your play time without casting
a wet blanket on it.. 

But if you will, my dear friends, I would have you think about what this
time in the life of our Master Son entailed. He had learned fully by the
time of his baptism that every decision had to be brought into the presence
of God, our Father. He had made the supreme dedication in a gradually
increasing commitment to submit every decision to the guidance of his
indwelling Adjuster. He knew that his life was about to end as a mortal, for
he had seen in that pre-knowledge that he had as a combined divine Son and
Son of Man that his public ministry had virtually ended.  As he turned his
face to Jerusalem he experienced the range of human emotion: anticipating
the anguish, the shame, the betrayal, and even the inevitable crucifixion.
He attempted a few times to forewarn his apostles but they were virtually
clueless as to the meaning of the events that were to come to pass. 

You know the story, how he rode into Jerusalem apparently as a conquering
and yet humble King of the Jews.  The events of those days are clearly
spelled out to you in the papers of the midwayers as they are preserved in
the Urantia papers. I tell you all this because I wish to bring you all into
a consciousness that you are those same apostles, not literally reliving
their experiences, but literally representing, associating with, speaking
for this same Jesus Christ Michael of Nebedon!

Even when he was tempted to use his power( which was legitimately his to
use) to control events so that he would not have to endure the anguish and
shame, the torturous death of crucifixion, he never wavered in his
determination to leave it all in the hands of his Heavenly Father.  His
human nature triumphed for he withstood the great temptation to take control
of those things which he could give over to his indwelling guidance from his
Father.  By perfectly submitting his will to God he achieved the completion
of his perfected humanity and in that submission he fully triumphed. As a
result of his living this human life to its fullest he presented to God the
Father and to the evolving God the Supreme a matchless piece of humanity and
human experience, fully embracing all aspects including the shame of a
wrongful death. Consequently, Christ Michael of Nebadon knows every nook and
cranny of mortal experience. There is no essential definitive experience
that he is not personally acquainted with!

You are still mortals; you are not Creator Sons. You do not have the same
inheritance that Jesus did. Yes, this is true. But remember my friends, he
made all those decisions and achieved all that revelation of perfect
humanity in his human nature and by the choice of his human mind. He
voluntarily set aside his divinity in order to be fully human. His
achievements stand for all time as the perfect ideal of mortal existence.
Therefore can we all, not only mortals but all orders of intelligence, learn
from him what it means to pray that prayer and truly mean it, "It is my will
that your will be done." In this prayer is the meaning of human life. He has
revealed it clearly. All other lesser meanings pale in comparison. 

But at the same time, this does not mean that you all become droll, sad, or
miserable in your discipleship or your apostleship, for he was not a man of
sorrows, characteristically. He was a man of joy and great confidence, and
his habitual character stood him in perfect stead during this time of his
greatest trial. It revealed, of course, the steadfast rock on which he
stood, that it was his will to do the will of the God in heaven, his Father.
True joy comes from letting God be God and letting go of that delusion that
you or I know best what is best for us. 

Thank you so much for listening to me this evening. I am honored to be given
this place in the agenda as we once again think about the last days of our
beloved Sovereign as he completed his humanity in perfection. 

Daniel has indicated that he would open this to any questions for a limited
amount of time due to your time frame. And there are others here that can
reply: your usual teachers who are in our teaching staff including
Minearisa, Aaron, Daniel, and the rest of us who are deemed to be personal
teachers.            

Alexsus (Cathy): This is Alexsus. Before the floor is opened, I would ask
your patience in trying a brief exercise. Imagine in your left hand a
perfect white egg symbolic of the season. Now please close your eyes and
decorate that egg in whatever manner you deem reflective of your being. 

And now in your right hand, is a gift from God. It also has the shape of an
egg. But observe it in your mind. How does it differ from the one you have
created. And if you bring them together to make a single egg, observe the
effect. 

My point here is two-fold. First, the egg that you created is symbolic of
your hopes, your potential, your creativity, your pregnancy, if you will.
And please take a moment to answer the question, "Was the egg that you
created of your own design? Or was it what you were taught to believe your
egg should look like, what mother told you an Easter egg should be, what
father told you an Easter egg should look like?" You have, each of you, the
power to create your own reality. Please do not let others do it for you.
Make it your own unique creation. Shine in your own unique pattern of light
and color. 

My second point is that when you take what you have created and merge it
with the creative power of the all powerful, what you merge together,
becomes so much more powerful, so much more beautiful than what you have
created alone. The floor is open.

Roxy: The Urantia book encourages us to distinguish between that which is
value and that which has value. Can you help me distinguish between these two?

Minearisa (Bill): My name is Minearisa. I will attempt to respond to your
question. My understanding of this differentiation is one of qualitative
differentiation. 

It can be stated that every aspect of creation has some value. There is
nothing in the universe which exists that is valueless, that has no value.
The time-space level of finitude is an attempt in process to replicate the
perfection of the Central Universe, but with an additional aspect of
freewill participation by nearly infinite orders of intelligent will
creatures in that completed perfection. Every aspect of this evolving
finitude, this growing finite, God the Supreme, has relative degrees of value. 

The statement, "That which has value is differentiated from that which is
value," in my understanding means that ultimately that which is value is
none other than the First Source and Center of all things and beings. It is
my understanding that it was this ability to differentiate between that
which is value and that which has value, on the part of Jesus and along with
his commitment to that difference, that allowed the Master to achieve human
perfection; to live a perfected human life.   For while he recognized
relative value in family, in recreation, in work, in good health, in
interpersonal relationships, he knew that value itself was God and that his
relationship as a mortal man to that Source of all relative values would put
his life in the proper perspective. 

[Editor's note: I have edited some of the words in the following sentences
because the meaning conveyed by what words I used as a TR resulted in a
logical confusion. With permission I have done this.  The confusion was over
whether personal relationships were of relative or absolute value.
Relationships, the UB tells us, are never means to an end; they are an end
in themselves.  But relationships between people, if they do not recognize
the family of God, i.e. brotherhood/sisterhood status of the individuals and
their relationship as sons and daughters to the Divine Parent, can become
idolatrous.  In that case they only have relative value.  But the
relationships between personalities which recognize the Divine Family
approach absolute value]

There is also potential value in itself in personal relationships because
personality is a gift/reality of God, God being triune in relationship.
Therefore value in itself may also embrace relationships between
personalities when these relationships recognize their true relationship to
each other as sons and daughters of God. These relationships, then, become
value in themselves. They are not of relative value; they approach absolute
value. That is why, from your mortal career, what really will last and which
is counterparted by your Thought Adjuster are those things which are value,
your personal relationships with each other and with your indwelling
Monitor.  Other things that have value will fall away in the ascension
career. You will gradually let go of those things which have lessor value as
you achieve the journey to Value Itself. 

Does this clarify or suggest something of value to you my friend? Would you
like to interact about this?

Roxy: I need to think about it some more because I've just been stumped. So
I appreciate your insight.

Alexsus (Cathy): This is Alexsus. An example which may help clarify would be
a rose. Anything which embodies truth, beauty, and goodness are value. The
rose indeed embodies beauty. It is value. The thorns which upon the stem of
a rose are of value because they serve to protect that which is value. I am
finished. 

Minearisa (Bill): Roxy, my friend, would you share your thoughts on this
subject with us please? 

Roxy: I really couldn't draw a distinction. I was baffled at the distinction
and it seemed important to be able to tell the difference. 

Minearisa(Bill): Isaac is aware of the conversation you had with him
although he cannot remember what he thought he understood at the time. The
statements that I made were mine and not his. He will also be interested to
see this in black and white. Are there other comments, questions, contributions?

Virginia: I am sitting here frankly trying to understand myself what all
that has been said. But as I am thinking about this, could it be said that,
that which has value is the only thing that will lead us to that which is
value. And that's why, am I summing up what you said, Minearisa, and that
value is only found in relationships that reflect honesty, goodness, and beauty?

Minearisa(Bill): Sometimes the appreciation of that which has value acts as
a lure to bring people to an awareness of Value itself, God, the author of
truth, beauty, and goodness, and of personality and hence of personal
interactions and relationships. 

But sometimes that which has value becomes idolized and takes the place of
that which is value. Many examples are obvious. Your culture has, in fact,
made an idol of wealth, power, knowledge, self-sufficiency, egoism, and the
list could continue. By themselves, all these things have relative value,
but they are not God. They are not of spirit essence, but are combinations
of material and mindal reality. 

To know and worship God is the greatest experience that any of His creation
can enjoy. To do this is to fully experience absolute value. When this
experience has become a part of you its essence is so clearly "value itself"
that it puts all the other things into a relative cast. The striving for
honor among peers, the competition for glory and power, all of these things
are seen to be in a different league. (It is hard to put this into words,
for my TR, for he is seeing pictures that are hard to express.)  The reason
for differentiating what is value from what has value is to make clear the
nature of idolatry, to say you have not experienced value itself until you
have fallen in adoration and worship at the feet of God and experienced the
thrill of your existence as His child and the wonder of your
brotherhood/sisterhood with all other intelligent beings. This is value
itself. The color of your clothing, the makeup on your face, the size of
your muscles, the achievements of your mind, the esteem of your peers, these
are of value but they are not value itself. Have I clarified for you?

 Virginia: Yes, I think so too. Yeah. Your last statement kind of threw me
for a loop because I didn't expect you to end it with saying these are of
value. Because those are the things I am trying hard not to be a part of
because I want to dismiss myself from that focus.  

Minearisa (Bill): But, you see, they are of relative value. They are not
equal. There is a place for these things in an earlier part of your life.
They are natural human desires. There is nothing wrong with them in
themselves until they assume the idolatrous role of value itself, which they
are not. So, as you progress, and esteem them as less worthy of your energy
and devotion so do you move in ascension toward the Source. 

Remember the book teaches the greatest joy on Paradise is worship. So
powerful is this experience that is requires the Conductors of Worship to
control it. It is, for you mortals, a rare experience to worship, although
you attempt it. I recommend that you take the time to spend in contemplation
of God, the Trinity, whose purpose you are a part of. 

I will cease the discussion now, my friends, for this TR is weary and your
plates are full. Jesus knew where value lay. He knew what value was and is.
(Mechanical owl hoots.) The hoot of an owl has value for it produces fright
in its prey and they move so the owl can obtain its dinner. 

What is value is this mighty creation and plan in the mind of God which is
unfolding as you participate by your free will choice in His family and
embrace all your brothers and sisters as His children. I leave you with
these thoughts. Good evening.

Ken: Thank you  Minearisa. Thank you Mr. Owl.